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Winnies Bro · Jun 29, 2009, 02:27 PM // 14:27

(i am not sure if this is the right section)
Anyone who has seen the logo for GW2 should have noticed that almost all of the shiverpeaks that are shown on it are melted. We can see some of the southern shiverpeaks have not melted.
Anyone have and ideas about this, i think it may be primordus, he is in an firey, rocky, lava like place(this is just an idea) and it may be how drakkar escapes from his frozen lake... If i think of some more ideas i will post them.
So discuss please!

Konig Des Todes · Jun 29, 2009, 02:58 PM // 14:58

You'll also notice that Orr is still sunk - and green! And that the brown in the Maguuma is green.

It's just a recoloring of the GW1 map without really caring about the colors.

As Linsey once said on the topic of "Drakkar":

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I can't comment on the creature in the lake; sorry =/. I know that's not exactly what you want to hear, but you just might have to wait until GW2 to find out about this one.
But I will say that the Shiverpeaks is not "completely defrosted" in GW2. Yes, it's true that in GW2 the world map has changed a lot in the 250 years since GW:EN and parts of the Shiverpeaks will likely be "defrosted" but not all of it and not likely the part that this lake is in. -

Linsey talk 21:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

As for Primordus, he is under the other side of the Shiverpeaks. The GW2 logo was a poor job and has been discussed before - on here and on wiki, never in this forum though, but that's because it cannot be taken as lore.

Drakkar Lake does not defrost by Linsey's word, and I doubt that Primordus wakes him up - and "Drakkar" is the Dragon of Ice and Snow. I think he'd be able to get out of a frozen lake on his own.

I'll leave this thread open (despite the discussion pretty much being answered - that is, Drakkar Lake doesn't defrost and you cannot use the GW2 logo ass proof for anything) for now to avoid getting another "Why did you close this? You had no right to." kind of PM.

Winnies Bro · Jun 29, 2009, 03:47 PM // 15:47

I doubt that the GW2 logo was a poor job, i remember reading somewhere that it the logo was trademarked/copyrighted(i think =s) and i seriously doubt that arenanet wold just rush it. Also orr is not green... There is obviously a reason for orr still being sunk, we dont know if the orrian elder dragon arises before or after the point in time GW2 starts, gw2 is 250 years since the searing, so that would be... 1320 AE, i checked the wiki.
When you mentioned the thing about drakkar being the elder dragon of ice and snow i thought that you may be right(about drakkar at least) i was just checking on the movement of the world the try to find the bit that mentions the dragon of ice and snow, but i remember it(possiblyfrom somewhere else) mentioning drakkar AND the elder dragon of ice and snow(sorry i cant back this up) To say again i doubt that the gw2 logo was a poor job and we were told that the world of tryia changes ALOT!
Also we know nothing about primordus; i remember reading that primordus creates new minions, that is all we know, primordus could do anything...
also i have read the newest pm that you sent me, no one troll posted but i WILL tell you more, soon though cos i have to get off the computer very soon.
youre second line i dont believe in at all...

Konig Des Todes · Jun 29, 2009, 04:05 PM // 16:05

The logo came out with EN. The logo was pretty rushed - and it is trademarked and copyrighted because Anet made it. That doesn't mean that it isn't canon for lore.

And we do know that the Orrian dragon rises at about 100 years prior to GW2.

And Orr is green, it is just hard to tell because of shading:

The term "Drakkar" is a player coined term for the Dragon that is in Drakkar's Lake - it's not a canon name, and it has been agreed that "Drakkar" is the Dragon of Ice and Snow (though that is not known, but if it isn't, it most likely won't be breaking free).

We see Primordus in game He is the "statue" above the Great Destroyer, he woke up 2 generations after the death of the Great Destroyer, and then creates new minions and takes over the depths. He is also the first of the Ancient Dragons that wake up. That is more than "we just know that he creates new minions".

And yes, people did troll, I just deleted them so now you cannot see, there was about 13 deleted posts.

If you don't think I'm right about the map, just look at the image I posted, all but one section is a recoloring of the land. There are no signs of flooding at Kryta, Orr isn't risen, the only part not recolored is the shiverpeaks right under the 2. It's just the GW1 map of tyria recolored, anyone can tell. Even the crystal desert isn't looking desert like (and the portion of it we can see isn't likely going to be changed from Joko redirecting the river Elon).

Mordakai · Jun 29, 2009, 04:42 PM // 16:42

There's a lot of problems with the GW2 logo.

For one, if it's supposed to represent half of the world, it's probably too small.

Two, it contradicts "Movement of the World" as Konig notes above.

If most of the Shiverpeaks melted, I'm sure there would be some reference to this in the "Movement of the World".

EDIT: Also, where is Orr supposed to be?

Winnies Bro · Jun 29, 2009, 05:01 PM // 17:01

orr isnt green it is sort of a light brown clay like colour
edit: also im not disagreeing with you 2 im just giving my ideas
edit:hhmm from reading your posts you do seem quite right...
also the things you said about primordus mostly go without saying, we know he is the 'statue' we know the destroyers are his minions and i just forgot about him taking over the depths but still you must admit we know primordus isprobably going to be THE MOST POWERFULancient dragon of them all, because during ogdens benidection(summing like that anyway)when hesays 'And the greatest threat of all is yet to come' it shows primordus opening an eye, also it shows no other ancient dragons.
btw have you noticedthat in the west there appears to be snow... and abit in kryta i think

Konig Des Todes · Jun 29, 2009, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Orr is near the bottom of the 2, you can see the islands and the end of the peninsula there.

Winnies Bro · Jun 29, 2009, 05:10 PM // 17:10

really people trolled? about what/ what did they say?
edit:you cannot see the crystaldesert you can only see the blazeridge mountain area.
edit: you said that we know the dragon of orr awakes 100 years prior to gw2... we dont know that!where did you get that from?

silavor · Jun 29, 2009, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

btw have you noticedthat in the west there appears to be snow... and abit in kryta i think

I'm pretty sure those are just clouds, not snow.

Winnies Bro · Jun 29, 2009, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by silavor

I'm pretty sure those are just clouds, not snow.

i think there are clouds above the snowy part i kryta, but it is definately not clouds at the west; definately snow.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 29, 2009, 05:46 PM // 17:46

Doesn't matter, trolls and unnecessary posts should be deleted. That is all off topic my friend. Most of those posts were "you're the best troll ever" *those were pointed at you, Winnies*. But now that I said that, you'll comment on it when it doesn't matter.

And you cannot see the Blazeridge mountains, you can see the northeast section of the Crystal Desert *directly north of Amnoon Oasis*.

I got that from reading the Movement of the world, while it doesn't say direct dates it hints at things. Also made a typo, it's 100 years after EN, not before GW2. 150 years prior to GW2.

You can go here for the approx dates I've noted and why.

If you are too lazy for even that, let me quote the Orr rising section:

This quote proves it was no later than 100 years after EN that Orr rose:

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Originally Posted by Movement of the World

Initially, this system was designed as a temporary government for the refugee camps, but in the 150 years since the flood of Lion's Arch, it has become a stable system, a respected government, and a cornerstone of Krytan culture.

Flooding of LA occured by Orr rising.
Another hint at Orr's rise is that it occured after the info we know of Cantha/Elona - Cantha became isolationist in 1127 AE - 50 years after EotN - over 60 years pass after NF when Joko took over *not when Tyrians lose contact of Elona* -

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Originally Posted by Movement of the World

The history of Cantha and Elona, as we know it, ceases around the time of Orr's liberation from the sea.

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In the year 1127 AE, Emperor Usoku, successor to Kisu, took a firm hold of his nation.

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Within sixty years of Kormir's rise to godhood, Palawa Joko mustered his former power and marched a new army of mummies, zombies, and other undead out of the Crystal Desert into war with Vabbi.

Thus it was 60-100 years after EN that Orr rose. Wording implies that it was 150 years prior to GW2 (or at least prior to the writing of the Movement).

Edit: Also, those are clouds. If it was snow, it wouldn't be transparent - like the Shiverpeaks are not transparent.

And it is said in the Movement of the World that the undead dragon is the strongest - not primordus. There is also no in-game image of the Orrian dragon or the Deep Sea Dragon. So it wouldn't show them anyways.

Mordakai · Jun 29, 2009, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Orr is near the bottom of the 2, you can see the islands and the end of the peninsula there.

Then it looks just like it does currently.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:TyriaThumbnail.jpg

I can't see any changes to the map except color, as you noted.

If this was a GW2 map, we would see a brand new continent above the bottom of the 2.

EDIT: I do see some snow where the Maguuma Jungle would be, which just reinforces the argument this is not a GW2 map, rather an original GW map recolored.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 29, 2009, 06:35 PM // 18:35

That snow in the Maguuma is a mountain range between Kryta and the Maguuma (which seems to stop for Majesty's Rest, but is on both the north and south ends, interestingly - or maybe Majesty's Rest is a mountain pass and I just never noticed).

Free Runner · Jun 29, 2009, 08:18 PM // 20:18

The GW2 logo is pretty much the original map of Tyria pre EotN with some changes in colour here and there no doubt to make it look like a different Tyria. The logo wasnt supposed to show the Tyria of GW2 - it was purely to make an impact with the GW2 announcement (after all this was the logo that made magazine covers at the time).

Operative 14 · Jun 30, 2009, 01:59 AM // 01:59

The Shiverpeaks there to the direct east of Kryta are definitely missing, and the rest of the map has been recolored or shaded as the letters necessitate. Other than that, I wouldn't consider it to be much of a way to determine what will happen in GW2. As others have said, it was released months before EotN, let alone any serious work on GW2 had begun.

It's the Tyria from GW1, just with the colors blended a little better so it doesn't look like such a mishmash. If they had kept true to the original form, that would have made a really bad looking logo with so much red, orange, green, blue, and white all over the place.

Neo Atomisk · Jun 30, 2009, 02:35 AM // 02:35

w
whoever said that Primordus is the most powerful, hes not. Its stated in the movement that Malchor is the "most powerful creature in all of tyria".

Crash Override · Jun 30, 2009, 07:11 AM // 07:11

I would hope that all of the Shiverpeaks don't get melted away. In my opinion, it was one of the best-looking regions in the game (namely the Southern Shiverpeaks).

Wouldn't that also cause trouble for the Norn, as they reside in the Far Shiverpeaks? Or perhaps the melting of the Far Shiverpeaks is one of the reasons that they moved down and settled elsewhere.

Winnies Bro · Jun 30, 2009, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by Crash Override

I would hope that all of the Shiverpeaks don't get melted away. In my opinion, it was one of the best-looking regions in the game (namely the Southern Shiverpeaks).

Wouldn't that also cause trouble for the Norn, as they reside in the Far Shiverpeaks? Or perhaps the melting of the Far Shiverpeaks is one of the reasons that they moved down and settled elsewhere.

true, it is one of the best looking regions in the game, my fave is the far shiverpeaks though. the reason the norn moved south is becauseof drakkar, he woke up and made icy minions(he is the dragon of ice and snow apparently, its not proven though) who force the norn toleave as well as the ebon vanguardresiding in the eye of the north.

i will post more after school

Free Runner · Jun 30, 2009, 09:48 AM // 09:48

Wheres everyone getting the "Undead Dragon is more powerful than Primordus is says so in movement of the World" line from? i cant remember ever reading anything in the movement of the world that told us which dragon was the most powerful.

Winnies Bro · Jun 30, 2009, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

Wheres everyone getting the "Undead Dragon is more powerful than Primordus is says so in movement of the World" line from? i cant remember ever reading anything in the movement of the world that told us which dragon was the most powerful.

I cant remember that either! hang on ill check...
edit: ahh here it is! The rise of the dragon beneath Orr caused the entire continent to surface, sparking a tidal wave that swept the coastline and drowned thousands.
nothing says that he's the most powerful, so i still think that primordus is!
edit: ive just noticed something of the movement of the world;Risen from the ocean by the will of a powerful undead dragon, Orr no longer stands under human control. The beings roaming those lands are twisted, perverted remnants of Orr's once-magnificent culture. Drowned by magic and then raised into service by the will of a monster so terrible there are only whispers of its nature, they now serve a dragon more horrible and more powerful than any other being in Tyria.

well i guess i was wrong! waaaahhh